British talk show host clashed with a trans activist over use of preferred pronouns. it was TalkTV’s Julia Hartley-Brewer vs Shivani Dave. The conversation went like this (shout to Megyn Kelly for transcript):
HARTLEY-BREWER: My next guest, who is Shivani Dave. She is a journalist and a presenter at Virgin Radio – just, just down the corridor. Good afternoon to you, Shivani.
DAVE: Good afternoon, Julia. You know my pronouns are they/them. How are you doing?
HARTLEY-BREWER: Yeah, um, thank you for telling me your pronouns. I use correct grammar, so the only thing I would need to refer you to, to your face would be ‘you.’ But I’m not being rude. You can choose your pronouns. You can choose what you want to call yourself. But you don’t have– you don’t get to require me to use incorrect grammar and factually incorrect things. You’re not a plural. You’re one person, and you’re a female person. So, I will use ‘she’ and ‘her,’ thank you very much.
DAVE: Do what you like, I guess.
HARTLEY-BREWER: Then you didn’t need to tell me that, did you?
DAVE: Maybe I’m just making sure people know, in case they’re watching and they want to refer to me respectfully.
HARTLEY-BREWER: Is it disrespectful for me to use correct, factual grammar?
DAVE: It’s not incorrect or unfactual grammar to use singular they/them pronouns for an individual, but we’re here to talk about The Cass Review.
HARTLEY-BREWER: Yeah, we are… But you chose to bring it up.
DAVE: You chose to use the incorrect pronouns for me.
HARTLEY-BREWER: I chose to use the correct pronouns for a single woman who is appearing on my show.
DAVE: I’m not a single woman though. I’m a very special non-binary trans person…
